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Poster: Dan L. Date: Aug 13, 2008 7:43pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: sugestion

I was complaining about this last year - a major reason why I come to IA a lot less - we had someone who was pointing out all kinds of stuff, including jihadi videos. I agree that if you notice and point anything out it is usually taken down rapidly.

If some minimum standards were set for submission (e.g. color or B&W? Length, insisting on certain formats and quality, listing real details, and having a way to make uploading more difficult for the 'dumpers' - e-mail back

HOW ABOUT THIS - if you don't get at least 5 or 10 other users to rate the video within 2 months, then it's taken down? This would encourage people to put in accurate descriptions and keywords! and it would encourage viewers to contribute reviews if they appreciate something so that it'll stay up for download

Before anyone complains, if you can't get 5 viewers, put it on YouTube

Also, anything with no information should just not appear on the site

Furthermore, yet another reminder that there is a section for foreign language content - it should be used

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Aug 14, 2008 5:25am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: suggestions

anything with no information should just not appear on the site

Under the usual upload mechanism, description and keyword fields are indeed required to be filled in by the uploader.

Even for much known-good content though, filling the fields in well is difficult, since uploaders are often not native English speakers. (BTW well-labeled items or not, typical users don't have the option of uploading to a foreign-language area directly.)

Add to that factor that some piracy guys are sly enough to add faked "good" descriptions, and the watch on content would have to be similar to what we have now.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-08-14 12:25:22

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Poster: Dan L. Date: Aug 14, 2008 9:45am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: suggestions

That's true - to give an example - when I buy a textbook or reference book, I always look at the index and table of contents to see if it's well laid out. If I know I won't be able to find anything in it, it could be the greatest book ever but so what? - all this useless beauty...

I know and fully realize my suggestion is harsh, but the alternative is to be a dumping ground for files. Imagine a library with no index or system for organization with people dumping boxes of books there everyday. e.g. my YouTube comment...

Of course, money solves a lot of problems - if people would be paid to catalog, view, organize, add keywords etc... it would make life easier but where would the money come from? I know that's not realistic either without more patrons - btw how can we donate to IA?

Anyway, I just threw it out there - take it or leave it it's just an idea. Lots of people out there - any ideas to deal with these issues? Chime in please!

Have a good weekend all!

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Poster: Visual16 Date: Aug 16, 2008 1:03am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: suggestions

If the archive has unlimited bandwidth, then there's no problems. Or if there is a dedicated effort to store anything anyone sends in, then there's no problems. But obviously there are problems.

It wouldn't take much more than a minimum wage employee to take any file titled in either unreadable garbage ie. fjfjeiej (just junk) or anything in middle eastern script (would that be non-ascii characters) to be put in a pending folder. That would probably be more than a third of the stuff in moving images IMHO..It is labor intensive to watch and judge the worthiness of everything, but you need a basic filter. Make sure it's actually a movie instead of a hidden file, make sure it has a legible or translated title. LIke power saver bulbs LOL your bills will get a lot lower by that simple trick!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Aug 16, 2008 6:03am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: suggestions

A fair amount of what is uploaded into Opensource Movies *is* refiled by curators. Some examples: pirated material is removed; apparent jihad material is placed in a separate section; feature-length films, CC-licensed VJ loops, sports footage go to various subcollections; and recently, other religious/spiritual material goes to a new subcollection.

Do y'all see other major types of content going into OSM that could be handled additionally?

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-08-16 13:03:32

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Poster: Visual16 Date: Aug 16, 2008 6:41pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: suggestions

What do you call someone just messing with their movie camera, posting "arguing with my girlfriend", "my dog is sooo cute", "hanging around Starbucks doing absolutely nothing"
type videos? Back in the day, they used to be called "home movies"
Maybe make a category called "Meaningless Videos" LOL!!
I know there would be a lot of grey area and some hurt feelings, but people need to respect this website and its users. Archive.org is a million times cooler than Youtube!!

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Poster: Greg K Date: Aug 17, 2008 9:01pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: suggestions

What do I call it? I call it crap.....IMHO such stuff has no business being posted here....that's what YouTube is for. Personal videos like that should be there and not HERE.

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Poster: veblen Date: Aug 13, 2008 9:37pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: sugestion

I totally agree with Seto-Kaiba_Is_Stupid and not just for the classic tv section but for the entire archive. In my mind an archive is for the historical record and anything that is properly labeled and described should be open to being posted and archived. It should not be based on some random number of mandatory reviews or any other questionable standards.

The majority of treasures that I have found on this site would not pass a mandatory standard on the number of reviews.

I am unsure if the site allows for an individual to have multiple reviews, but even if there is a single review limitation per user it doesn't prohibit anyone from submitting multiple reviews under different user names.

Also, what would constitute a review? Would added comments in the review section regarding the viewing or listening quality meet the standard of a review? What about some of the ads/spam that are posted as reviews? Or for that matter anything off topic added as a review? What is next a reviewer of reviews?

Youtube and similar sites are not designed as archival sites, they are commercial enterprises, and if a policy like this would occur many fine movies and shows would be lost.

Plus, I won't even comment on the impact such a mandatory review policy would have on the audio and text areas, though many of the issues are similar.

censorship because something isn't popular, I don't think so; set labeling and tagging standards but don't leave it to a popularity contest.

Just not a good idea in my mind, this archive is not just for current use but it for future generations as well.

What isn't deemed worthy of review today might be very important for review in the future.

I agree that there are open issues, but I don't believe a mandatory number of reviews policy is the solution.

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Poster: Seto-Kaiba_Is_Stupid Date: Aug 13, 2008 8:46pm
Forum: movies Subject: Really? Pantyhose are overrated

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HOW ABOUT THIS - if you don't get at least 5 or 10 other users to rate the video within 2 months, then it's taken down?
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That's unfair to the Classic TV section, since most viewers there don't review stuff. Indeed, the only people there who review stuff are me and my 89457 different accounts, Spuzz, and the Tenor Madman guy.